Regarding Multiple Accounts

Felmyst · May 30, 2017

This topic has been subject to debate for some time however we feel that it is in the server's best interest to instate a rule against playing with multiple accounts. This includes "multi-boxing" but also using multiple accounts in general. With that being said, a heavy penalty shall be inflicted on any accounts found violating this rule.

More information regarding rules and guidelines can be found here.

Hamblin_old · June 7, 2017

While multiboxing may seem okay to some, it can be used extremely maliciously. When talking about issues such as multiboxing, players need to take a step back from their own personal perspective, and look at how it will affect a server as a whole. To allow multiboxing would open up better conditions for malicious behavior. Server Staff will have to go out of their way to assure that these multiboxers are not botting or using automation. Allowing something like this will definitely significantly increase the workload on staff, and generally multiboxers receive negative feedback anyways. They get an advantage over others in almost every aspect of the leveling phase.

I think that it is a great thing this server and its staff are very receptive to the interests of its community, but I think on this issue it is absolutely validated that multiboxing should not be allowed.

Zuntrix_old · June 8, 2017

Great to hear I think Multi-boxing and multi accounting is very frustrating, and is the wrong way to improve your characters.

You shouldn't be ahead because you play multiple accounts simultaneously. But because you are good at your class and the game in general

So thank you very much for this decision devs

Xemni_old · June 8, 2017

Glad to hear this cancer will be disallowed. Thank you guys for your hard work.

Celdarin_old · June 8, 2017

So you will not be able to have an alt and boost it through dungeons?

Tyr_old · June 8, 2017

4 minutes ago, Celdarin said:

So you will not be able to have an alt and boost it through dungeons?

No

Drizz_old · June 8, 2017

Good decision.

Multi-boxing is fine in retail because accounts cost $30 + $13/mo. That's enough of a disincentive to discourage abuse.

Multi-boxing + free accounts just doesn't work.

Pisyong_old · June 9, 2017

Me and my friends will be playing in a computer shop and we are almost 20 players is it allowed? or are we violating any rules..

zahil_old · June 9, 2017

8 minutes ago, Pisyong said:

Me and my friends will be playing in a computer shop and we are almost 20 players is it allowed? or are we violating any rules..

as long as it's 1 account per person you're good to go

MaloW_old · June 9, 2017

Is account-sharing allowed? Am I allowed to log on a friends account and my own at the same time? It's pretty common among groups of friends to share their accounts with each-other so that when people are not online their characters can still be used for portals/conjured water/professions crafts etc for other characters.

Victoria_old · June 9, 2017

26 minutes ago, MaloW said:

Is account-sharing allowed? Am I allowed to log on a friends account and my own at the same time? It's pretty common among groups of friends to share their accounts with each-other so that when people are not online their characters can still be used for portals/conjured water/professions crafts etc for other characters.

I believe this is not allowed. Blizzard doesn't allow it either. Besides sharing your account with friends doesn't seem like a very good idea. There's nothing to be done if they decide to screw you over.

Edited June 9, 2017 by Victoria

MaloW_old · June 9, 2017

5 minutes ago, Victoria said:

I believe this is not allowed. Blizzard doesn't allow it either. Besides sharing your account with friends doesn't seem like a very good idea. There's nothing to be done if they decide to screw you over.

If a friend of mine screws me over my World of Warcraft characters is the least of my concerns. I wouldn't be handing out my account info to just anyone. I'm talking about the kind of friends that I have given a spare key to my apartment to

Pietri_old · June 9, 2017

Just now, MaloW said:

If a friend of mine screws me over my World of Warcraft characters is the least of my concerns. I wouldn't be handing out my account info to just anyone. I'm talking about the kind of friends that I have given a spare key to my apartment to

At any rate, no, it isn't allowed. Any instance of a single player using more than one account will open both accounts up to a potential ban if the behaviour is detected.

MaloW_old · June 9, 2017

I wonder how this will be enforced though, would be good to know so that you can avoid "false detection". Like say me and my friend both sit at my computer playing together, logged into our respective accounts and alt-tabbing between them taking turns playing. Or say we use the same computer but with 2 virtual machines with 2 monitors, keyboards and mice plugged into the computer, each of us playing our own account. Or say we use 2 different computers on the same LAN network having the same external IP. Will either of these scenarios be falsely detected by the server as account-sharing or multi-account-playing and result in the accounts getting banned? If not then I guess the only way this rule will be enforced is if someone admits to doing it or is caught on stream doing it, much like how the account-sharing rule works on Blizzard's servers.

Pietri_old · June 9, 2017

@MaloW I would say that in the scenario where two people are playing on two accounts, on two computers, on the same network, a ban is unlikely - staff have already expressed an awareness of the fact that many players may be using the same network as other players (friends, family, university students etc). An examination of MAC addresses, among other things, is a possible way to combat false positives in this area.

Playing on the same computer using 2 virtual machines strikes me as exceedingly risky - I would advise against it. Playing on a single machine and alt-tabbing between two accounts to 'take turns' is even more risky, and is functionally indistinguishable from multi-boxing. Again, if you value your account I would avoid doing this. You will likely have no recourse in the even of a ban if the behaviour is detected. Stick to one person, one account, one computer.

Edited June 9, 2017 by Pietri

RealVice_old · June 9, 2017

Horrible, awful decision that will eventually only create more problems than it'll solve. How will you track us down? On HF I had few "warnings" while boosting an alt only because some asshole saw me running with alt in open world and reported me. What are you gonna do if I stay in dungeons, or even won't have main near my alt? I'll tell you what. Nothing. Also what are you gonna do if people play together from same IP address? How would you know it's the same guy and not two brothers, or friends for example? I urge you to rethink your standing on the subject and change it to "No more than 2 accounts allowed to be multiboxed without any 3d party programs". Otherwise... People will find the way. We always do. Please don't create unnecessary problems for both us and yourself.

Edited June 9, 2017 by RealVice

gundam_old · June 9, 2017

22 minutes ago, RealVice said:

Horrible, awful decision that will eventually only create more problems than it'll solve. How will you track us down? On HF I had few "warnings" while boosting an alt only because some asshole saw me running with alt in open world and reported me. What are you gonna do if I stay in dungeons, or even won't have main near my alt? I'll tell you what. Nothing. Also what are you gonna do if people play together from same IP address? How would you know it's the same guy and not two brothers, or friends for example? I urge you to rethink your standing on the subject and change it to "No more than 2 accounts allowed to be multiboxed without any 3d party programs". Otherwise... People will find the way. We always do. Please don't create unnecessary problems for both us and yourself.

On one side I believe your post is spot-on, cause I agree that a rule like this one is kinda unenforceable, but on the other side, I wouldn't like at all the added meta-gaming that two/more accounts give.

As I already posted many (countless?) times, I think this one rule should be made even stronger and the first step in that direction would/should be a 1account/IP unavoidable restriction.

MaloW_old · June 10, 2017

8 hours ago, gundam said:

On one side I believe your post is spot-on, cause I agree that a rule like this one is kinda unenforceable, but on the other side, I wouldn't like at all the added meta-gaming that two/more accounts give.

As I already posted many (countless?) times, I think this one rule should be made even stronger and the first step in that direction would/should be a 1account/IP unavoidable restriction.

A lot of people in the world sit behind CG-NAT (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT)

We are running out of IPv4 addresses and as such the ISPs are working right now on implementing CG-NATs everywhere. With a CG-NAT you have hundreds, sometimes even thousands of households with the same external IP.

IP-banning and IP-restrictions do not work anymore. It was something that worked well in the 90's, but today IP-addresses is a rare commodity.

gundam_old · June 10, 2017

1 hour ago, MaloW said:

A lot of people in the world sit behind CG-NAT (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT)

We are running out of IPv4 addresses and as such the ISPs are working right now on implementing CG-NATs everywhere. With a CG-NAT you have hundreds, sometimes even thousands of households with the same external IP.

IP-banning and IP-restrictions do not work anymore. It was something that worked well in the 90's, but today IP-addresses is a rare commodity.

This open-beta would be a nice environment to get some "real" data about what you're talking about.

I really doubt you can consistently find this many "legacy enthusiast" sharing IP behind those ISP-NATs.

We are few and far away from each other, imo, but again, both yours and mine are just opinions.

One thing is certain, restricting accounts to 1/IP would get rid of the BIGGEST MAJORITY of "multiple accounts/multiboxing" problems, right off the bat.

In fact, skipping such check (the account/IP restriction) wouldn't be free and only very few will go to the length to pay for VPNs/VPSs to do such thing.

mchotdog_old · June 10, 2017

It just sounds like its all good as long as you have 2 dif computers. Doesn't this just screw over people that don't have multiple computers lying around to run multiple games?

Edited June 10, 2017 by mchotdog

dollaz916_old · June 11, 2017

please consider 2 accounts max

kinappynow_old · June 15, 2017

On 12/06/2017 at 1:30 AM, dollaz916 said:

please consider 2 accounts max

This

At the moment I play on another server with my son but we are waiting for this server to go live. If there is any chance we would be accused of boxing and banned because two accounts are connected from the same router IP then it's not even worth starting in the first place.

Xsmoothx_old · June 15, 2017

No one said you couldn't play from the same IP. They simply stated you cant have multiple accounts. It seems people are trying to find ways to cheat the system. Make an account and play on it responsibly and be done with it. Stop looking for loop holes. If you let someone else play on your account as some have brought up then you suffer the consequences if they do something against the rules while they have access to said account. Don't be selfish, lots of people want to play and creating extra queues because so many people want multiple accounts is not sensible.

kinappynow_old · June 15, 2017

12 minutes ago, Xsmoothx said:

No one said you couldn't play from the same IP. They simply stated you cant have multiple accounts. It seems people are trying to find ways to cheat the system. Make an account and play on it responsibly and be done with it. Stop looking for loop holes. If you let someone else play on your account as some have brought up then you suffer the consequences if they do something against the rules while they have access to said account. Don't be selfish, lots of people want to play and creating extra queues because so many people want multiple accounts is not sensible.

I'm not looking for any loopholes.

What I mean is we will play at the same time as my son so you would see two accounts logged in from the same time.

The server we play on now has a big multibox issue and will be glad to see the last of it.

Xsmoothx_old · June 15, 2017

1 minute ago, kinappynow said:

I'm not looking for any loopholes.

What I mean is we will play at the same time as my son so you would see two accounts logged in from the same time.

The server we play on now has a big multibox issue and will be glad to see the last of it.

I know what you mean. I have never seen the devs say you couldn't have multiple people playing on the same IP. They simply said you cant play more than one account. If you follow the rules and only play one account I don't see how you can be banned. If your son is playing on his account and you are playing on yours I don't believe you have broken any rules.

Goldengoose_old · June 16, 2017

15 hours ago, kinappynow said:

I'm not looking for any loopholes.

What I mean is we will play at the same time as my son so you would see two accounts logged in from the same time.

The server we play on now has a big multibox issue and will be glad to see the last of it.

To be safe it might be worth you buying access to a VPN?

Costs a little money but you guarantee you won't get a ban.

Geex_old · June 16, 2017

I think there will be many people playing with their wife/husband, roommate with same ip.

Im going to play with my girlfriend also. Dont think we all will be banned

gundam_old · June 16, 2017

I think there will be many people playing with their "fake" wife/husband, "fake" roommate with same ip.

Im going to play with my "fake" girlfriend also. Dont think we all will be banned

</sarcasm>

Tyr_old · June 16, 2017

Does anyone know if multiple accounts are at least allowed until launch? Some things I want to test require more than one player and it's not always so easy to find a helping hand.

Asnor_old · June 16, 2017

Will accounts be faction locked or will I be able to create a Horde character even if my first character was Alliance? I know that it is blizzlike but that would be the only reason for me to create 2 accounts.

Edited June 16, 2017 by Asnor

zahil_old · June 16, 2017

30 minutes ago, Asnor said:

Will accounts be faction locked or will I be able to create a Horde character even if my first character was Alliance? I know that it is blizzlike but that would be the only reason for me to create 2 accounts.

you can have both horde and alliance characters

Hatedream_old · June 16, 2017

52 minutes ago, Asnor said:

Will accounts be faction locked or will I be able to create a Horde character even if my first character was Alliance? I know that it is blizzlike but that would be the only reason for me to create 2 accounts.

To counteract any need for multiple accounts, so as to enforce our rules, we allow for players to create both Alliance and Horde characters on Skullcrusher. This is why there appears to be "two" realms -- Skullcrusher(Alliance), for your Alliance characters; and Skullcrusher(Horde), for your Horde characters. Despite there appearing to be "two" realms, both are the same server. However, the amount of characters you can create is still locked at ten.

ignig84_old · June 17, 2017

so what about banker accounts? this is something that i didnt see any topics about if there is no banker accts please reply this confirming so i make a 2nd acct with this intent.

Hatedream_old · June 17, 2017

2 minutes ago, ignig84 said:

so what about banker accounts? this is something that i didnt see any topics about if there is no banker accts please reply this confirming so i make a 2nd acct with this intent.

1 person, 1 account.

gundam_old · June 17, 2017

7 hours ago, Hatedream said:

1 person, 1 account.

Sorry, but I would like to know how do you intend counter "bank" accounts.

As an extreme example my granny could create a bank-account and play the AH all day long. She's a tycoon IRL and "playing" markets is what she does for a living. She told me that she would like to help me in my economic-endeavor to become the richest player on Skullcrusher.

I showed her how the AH works and she offered to play it for me. She won't ever leave a city cause the bank, the mailbox and the AH are all packed together.

Is this a bannable "1person, 1account" case?

MaloW_old · June 17, 2017

4 hours ago, gundam said:

Sorry, but I would like to know how do you intend counter "bank" accounts.

I doubt you'll get an answer on this, but the truth is, they can't counter it. There's no way they can verify that there's actually 2 different persons playing on 2 different accounts on 2 different computers coming from the same IP. And I highly doubt that they can even check that those 2 accounts are playing from the same computer. The TCP/IP stack does not contain any information like the MAC-address of the sender outside of LAN environments, and the WoW-client doesn't report anything that I can see which could be used to determine if 2 clients are connecting from the same computer or 2 different ones on the same LAN.

So I think they only way they can enforce this, if they actually will enforce it, is to have a GM watch clients connecting from the same IP, and then have the GM determine based on how the clients play whether they're controlled by 1 or multiple people. Sounds kinda scary to me: "I'll just put follow on you while I go grab the pizzas for us" -> Banned. And no way to "disprove" that there wasn't 2 players controlling the characters because there wasn't any proof used to ban them in the first place, just the feeling of a GM.

Dallal92_old · June 17, 2017

I would guess its just going to be up to personal judgement for the GM on which accounts to punish in situations like the one you pointed out.

aeonzerg_old · June 17, 2017

Glad to hear this! Good job!

RealVice_old · June 17, 2017

On 15.06.2017 at 10:24 PM, Xsmoothx said:

I know what you mean. I have never seen the devs say you couldn't have multiple people playing on the same IP. They simply said you cant play more than one account. If you follow the rules and only play one account I don't see how you can be banned. If your son is playing on his account and you are playing on yours I don't believe you have broken any rules.

And how, pray tell, are they going to figure out if someone is playing 2 accounts, or if it's two people playing from same IP? Is Gm going to send a whisper to both of my accounts?

- "Hey, are you multiboxing?"

- "Noooo, good sir, I'm just playing with my brother from same house. Yep. Totally no multibox".

- "Alright, I'm gonna ask your brother. Hey, are you multiboxing?"

- "Ofc no, I'm playing with my brother!"

- "Ok, carry on".

Seriously, for the sake of both sides, rethink it. All you'll get is endless drama and headache.

Edited June 17, 2017 by RealVice

Dallal92_old · June 17, 2017

I doubt any communication like that would occur. At most I think they would just periodically check on accounts that are suspected of breaking their rule, after so many reports or so.

Of course there is not an easy way to detect if someone is breaking the 1 person, 1 account rule. Or if it is just 'my little brother on follow' or 'grandma tycooning it up in the AH', etc.

So it will just come down to personal judgement of repeat offenders/suspicious accounts, most likely.

Xsmoothx_old · June 17, 2017

1 hour ago, RealVice said:

And how, pray tell, are they going to figure out if someone is playing 2 accounts, or if it's two people playing from same IP? Is Gm going to send a whisper to both of my accounts?

- "Hey, are you multiboxing?"

- "Noooo, good sir, I'm just playing with my brother from same house. Yep. Totally no multibox".

- "Alright, I'm gonna ask your brother. Hey, are you multiboxing?"

- "Ofc no, I'm playing with my brother!"

- "Ok, carry on".

Seriously, for the sake of both sides, rethink it. All you'll get is endless drama and headache.

My assumption is if you follow the rules you won't have to worry. It's only the people who plan to break the rules that should be concerned. Don't worry about how they will enforced it. Why would they tell the entire community how they are planning to deal with this?

Hatedream_old · June 17, 2017

10 hours ago, gundam said:

Sorry, but I would like to know how do you intend counter "bank" accounts.

As an extreme example my granny could create a bank-account and play the AH all day long. She's a tycoon IRL and "playing" markets is what she does for a living. She told me that she would like to help me in my economic-endeavor to become the richest player on Skullcrusher.

I showed her how the AH works and she offered to play it for me. She won't ever leave a city cause the bank, the mailbox and the AH are all packed together.

Is this a bannable "1person, 1account" case?

Why would she be banned? Your grandma is a person, therefore she is afforded 1 account.

Edit: If you didn't get my joke: there is no way we will provide ANY details of our systems, and I advise you to stop asking.

bcjohns_old · June 17, 2017

Oh good I was worried because I have 5 grandmas that all wanted to play too. They can't wait!

gundam_old · June 17, 2017

2 hours ago, Hatedream said:

Why would she be banned? Your grandma is a person, therefore she is afforded 1 account.

Edit: If you didn't get my joke: there is no way we will provide ANY details of our systems, and I advise you to stop asking.

It's fine if you don't want to provide ANY details of your system, but you didn't really gave me an answer.

Can my granny play the AH for me on her own account or not?

I think I'm not the only one that would like a precise answer to such a question.

TheShortestPath_old · June 17, 2017

5 hours ago, Hatedream said:

Why would she be banned? Your grandma is a person, therefore she is afforded 1 account.

Edit: If you didn't get my joke: there is no way we will provide ANY details of our systems, and I advise you to stop asking.

Why are you implementing a rule like this at all? A prohibition against multiboxing is something entirely separate from this. There is no in-game advantage to be gained from having multiple accounts other than convenience issues such as self-enchanting and bank management. Why prohibit people from doing those things?

Eyeful_old · June 18, 2017

22 minutes ago, TheShortestPath said:

Why are you implementing a rule like this at all? A prohibition against multiboxing is something entirely separate from this. There is no in-game advantage to be gained from having multiple accounts other than convenience issues such as self-enchanting and bank management. Why prohibit people from doing those things?

I assume it's the feeling of "give them an inch, and they take a mile" attitude. If you let people start having multi accounts for "convenience" issues, then how will they be monitored? Taking an oath won't fly here, and it would be silly to try and waste manpower keeping an eye on these accounts not being used for MB'ing. To counter, what's wrong with having your bank alt on your main account? The game players themselves crated the "bank alt", so asking for multi accts to run 1 wouldn't really make sense. It's normal on other servers, since they allow MB'ing, but here, it has to cover all bases with a full out ban. As for alt-chanting, I can see that being a hindrance, later absolved with the use of scrolls in wotlk, but I can't really see it being enough of an issues to push multiple accounts per 1 person. In a way, removing the ability to be self sustaining helps keep the community economy fresh. Products move when people need them, remove the need, and they go stale.

Skm_old · June 18, 2017

#1forGranny new BC slogan

Easy_old · June 18, 2017

7 hours ago, TheShortestPath said:

Why are you implementing a rule like this at all? A prohibition against multiboxing is something entirely separate from this. There is no in-game advantage to be gained from having multiple accounts other than convenience issues such as self-enchanting and bank management. Why prohibit people from doing those things?

Try using the search function on the forum, theres a whole thread about how many potential abuses there are from having multiple accounts. If you think there are only QoL to be had from multiple accounts you are dead wrong.

MaloW_old · June 18, 2017

7 hours ago, Eyeful said:

If you let people start having multi accounts for "convenience" issues, then how will they be monitored? Taking an oath won't fly here, and it would be silly to try and waste manpower keeping an eye on these accounts not being used for MB'ing.

Allowing multi accounts but banning multiboxing is not harder to monitor than banning multi accounts, it's actually easier to monitor. In both situations a GM will have to manually check accounts connected from the same IP, and multiboxing is really easy to spot, while determining if there's 2 players or 1 player playing the 2 accounts is quite much harder.

Jirconny_old · June 18, 2017

On 6/17/2017 at 4:37 PM, gundam said:

It's fine if you don't want to provide ANY details of your system, but you didn't really gave me an answer.

Can my granny play the AH for me on her own account or not?

I think I'm not the only one that would like a precise answer to such a question.

Are you really that bullheaded? Ofcourse your granny can be your accountant, as long as she plays from her account.

As for the question about banking accounts, try to answer this: How about making a bank character instead of banking account? Would not that be enough?

How many acounts did you have while playing retail?

Srlsly stop trying to find excuses **

Edited June 19, 2017 by Recon
Inappropriate language and hostility not conducive

gundam_old · June 18, 2017

42 minutes ago, Jirconny said:

Are you really that bullheaded? Ofcourse your granny can be your accountant, as long as she plays from her account.

As for the question about banking accounts, try to answer this: How about making a bank character instead of banking account? Would not that be enough?

How many acounts did you have while playing retail?

Srlsly stop trying to find excuses just to bitch about anything.

You asking me if I'm "that bullheaded", but most likely you are the dense one.

The question about "my accountant granny" was obviously about all those fake grannies/girlfriends/wives/brothers/sisters.

My "fake accountant granny" account would be indistinguishable from your "real accountant wife" account.

Such fake account can be most likely used as AH-bot/banker/trader.

How naive must you be believing this won't be abused?

Srsly stop trying defending an indefensible "rule" that will be abused by the most.

Jirconny_old · June 18, 2017

30 minutes ago, gundam said:

You asking me if I'm "that bullheaded", but most likely you are the dense one.

The question about "my accountant granny" was obviously about all those fake grannies/girlfriends/wives/brothers/sisters.

My "fake accountant granny" account would be indistinguishable from your "real accountant wife" account.

Such fake account can be most likely used as AH-bot/banker/trader.

How naive must you be believing this won't be abused?

Srsly stop trying defending an indefensible "rule" that will be abused by the most.

obviously....but tell me how do you expect to have any influence in this by such posts? You either have a deep knowledge on this topic, therefore contact the admins and help them solve this or you just play by the rules. There is only that much you can do.

Pigy_old · June 18, 2017

22 hours ago, MaloW said:

I doubt you'll get an answer on this, but the truth is, they can't counter it. There's no way they can verify that there's actually 2 different persons playing on 2 different accounts on 2 different computers coming from the same IP. And I highly doubt that they can even check that those 2 accounts are playing from the same computer. The TCP/IP stack does not contain any information like the MAC-address of the sender outside of LAN environments, and the WoW-client doesn't report anything that I can see which could be used to determine if 2 clients are connecting from the same computer or 2 different ones on the same LAN.

So I think they only way they can enforce this, if they actually will enforce it, is to have a GM watch clients connecting from the same IP, and then have the GM determine based on how the clients play whether they're controlled by 1 or multiple people. Sounds kinda scary to me: "I'll just put follow on you while I go grab the pizzas for us" -> Banned. And no way to "disprove" that there wasn't 2 players controlling the characters because there wasn't any proof used to ban them in the first place, just the feeling of a GM.

*Port both characters to one location*

"Hello, get on discord, when I countdown from 3 you both jump."
Give it a few goes, if simultanious action isn't happening to the server chances are there aren't two keyboards involved, boom proof.

Not saying it's perfect, but it is A way to do it.

Basardius_old · June 18, 2017

On 10/06/2017 at 8:53 AM, MaloW said:

A lot of people in the world sit behind CG-NAT (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT)

We are running out of IPv4 addresses and as such the ISPs are working right now on implementing CG-NATs everywhere. With a CG-NAT you have hundreds, sometimes even thousands of households with the same external IP.

IP-banning and IP-restrictions do not work anymore. It was something that worked well in the 90's, but today IP-addresses is a rare commodity.

IPv6 will take off and will remove that problem.

Jacksn_old · June 18, 2017

2 hours ago, Pigy said:

"Hello, get on discord, when I countdown from 3 you both jump."

You realise that's actually easier when multiboxing than when playing with another person right? And a GM to demand to "get on discord" is almost on the level of asking for your password.

It be easier to have both accounts run and jump around differently simultaniously or some such, something that'd be very hard when using keyclone or similar.

MaloW_old · June 18, 2017

3 hours ago, Basardius said:

IPv6 will take off and will remove that problem.

In 20 years? Sure! In 1-2 months for when this server releases, no way in hell.

Mingwald27_old · June 18, 2017

Not the proper place for this question i know but didnt know where else to ask, I read the game rules and didnt see a rule against the /console graphic mods, just wanted to ask in the forums if there is any rules against doing that? Again wrong place i know, just want to ask so i dont get banned from this awesome server!

Dallal92_old · June 19, 2017

There are plenty of ways that the dev's would be able to see if it is 1 person using multiple accounts, or if it really is 2 separate people. And I am sure they have a system in place already.

One way that comes to mind is similar to Pigy's:

Wait until both suspect accounts are active
GM teleports both parties to GM Island where 2 GMs are waiting
Each GM takes 1 player to opposite sides of the island and the instructs the player to run different routes that the GM says; i.e. Figure 8, Square, Triangle, etc., or have them perform other commands.
In this scenario each player would be performing different key presses, at different intervals, and each player would only be able to see the commands given to him/her.

Again, there are many ways the dev's would be able to differentiate between accounts that are actually 2 different people, and people who are abusing the rules.

I hope the dev's take a strict stance on multiboxing/multiple accounts (even though on other private servers [that allowed multiboxing] I would have many accounts, usually 1 account per alt so that I could 'powerlevel' them, Enchant my own gear, etc.). It is something that I always associated with private servers, and even though they are very useful and efficient, took away from the overall feel of the experience.

During retail Vanilla on my main realm, Gurubashi (Horde), there was a person who had 40 level 60 Orc hunters that he would dual box. I never saw him in action, but ever so often he would park them in a giant circle in at Orgrimmar's entrance. This is an extreme case, but yes some people did have the money and know-how to dualbox during retail. But in private server's now-a-days it is just too easy to abuse.

MaloW_old · June 19, 2017

1 hour ago, Dallal92 said:

There are plenty of ways that the dev's would be able to see if it is 1 person using multiple accounts, or if it really is 2 separate people. And I am sure they have a system in place already.

One way that comes to mind is similar to Pigy's:

Wait until both suspect accounts are active

GM teleports both parties to GM Island where 2 GMs are waiting

Each GM takes 1 player to opposite sides of the island and the instructs the player to run different routes that the GM says; i.e. Figure 8, Square, Triangle, etc., or have them perform other commands.

In this scenario each player would be performing different key presses, at different intervals, and each player would only be able to see the commands given to him/her.

Again, there are many ways the dev's would be able to differentiate between accounts that are actually 2 different people, and people who are abusing the rules.

I hope the dev's take a strict stance on multiboxing/multiple accounts (even though on other private servers [that allowed multiboxing] I would have many accounts, usually 1 account per alt so that I could 'powerlevel' them, Enchant my own gear, etc.). It is something that I always associated with private servers, and even though they are very useful and efficient, took away from the overall feel of the experience.

During retail Vanilla on my main realm, Gurubashi (Horde), there was a person who had 40 level 60 Orc hunters that he would dual box. I never saw him in action, but ever so often he would park them in a giant circle in at Orgrimmar's entrance. This is an extreme case, but yes some people did have the money and know-how to dualbox during retail. But in private server's now-a-days it is just too easy to abuse.

There are so many situations where this would end up banning innocent people. Just imagine someone setting up an account for their 5-10 year old brother. He would never pass this "GM" test, he might not even speak enough English to understand what the GM wants him to do without assistance of his brother.

Dallal92_old · June 19, 2017

It was just an example off the top of my head. Not suggesting it is the best way to handle it, or that the dev's are using a system in any way similar.

But the dev's have already stated they have systems in place, so I believe they are already prepared to handle these situations.

frostyjapsai_old · June 19, 2017

I have seen quite a few people using multiple accounts on beta should we be reporting them? or does it not matter due to everything being reset?

extence_old · June 19, 2017

Well, beta doesnt have alot of players online at any given time, add that even less would waste time helping and you can see the result. I personally dont mind it, infact its something good cuz that person is testing *something *

In the end, characters will get deleted, so what's the point in reports? We'll all loose the characters either way.

Rutzki_old · June 19, 2017

Could there be an official statement on that playing together with a gf, brother, granny or whatever from the same IP wont get us banned? Two people wanting to play on the server but if playing from the same ip leads to a hearing we might be screwed. My gf knows how to play well but i have to assist her alot by talking irl, and help her what to answer to whispers and such since her english is not too good. Mostly often i answer directly from my own character and explain the case if someone wonders. Will this be a problem?

Naraya_old · June 19, 2017

I really wish there was an official statement from the developers on a few topics, like:

- is it allowed to use utilities like Reshade

- is it allowed to change character models

- is it allowed to play with someone from the same IP (personally I don't care as I won't need it)

We need a definite and definitive answer to such questions before launch. After all, if not the developers then who should know? I really don't want to assume that "if it's not strictly forbidden, then it's allowed" and have my character banned after 2 months for some odd reason. I don't have time for this anymore

Edited June 19, 2017 by Naraya
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Dallal92_old · June 19, 2017

@Rutzki

To my knowledge the only rule they have stated so far is: 1 person, 1 acccount. Not 1 account per IP, or anything along those lines.

There are many people who are actually going to be playing with roommates, family, LANs or what have you. So I doubt it will be an issue.

Most of my core 10m raid team is made up from family and friends who live nearby. So 5-8 person LANs at my place will be a weekly occurrence

boohoofoodoo_old · June 19, 2017

I can understand some of the concern of peeps that they do not want to invest their time into leveling, gearing etc. then to be 'unfairly' banned for a potential false positive detection for multi-boxing. Lets just have some faith that those running the show have it covered without having to explain the how they do it part...

However, reading a number of these posts, it is obvious that some of you are just having a whine that you cannot have multiple account, for whatever reason, on what is measuring up to be a quality, FREE private TBC server and are looking for any excuse to bitch about it. Please, just shut the *uck up and play by the rules without being a sook about it!

TheShortestPath_old · June 20, 2017

Of course I am questioning the rule, because the staff have not stated a purpose for the rule. There do not exist cases for exploitation by owning multiple accounts other than multiboxing, which is already detectable and banned, so prohibiting the use of more than one account does not make sense. If the administration were to give a reason, there would be much less discussion about it.

gundam_old · June 20, 2017

51 minutes ago, TheShortestPath said:

Of course I am questioning the rule, because the staff have not stated a purpose for the rule. There do not exist cases for exploitation by owning multiple accounts other than multiboxing, which is already detectable and banned, so prohibiting the use of more than one account does not make sense. If the administration were to give a reason, there would be much less discussion about it.

At the moment you log-in two accounts at the same time, you're exploiting the system (for whatever reason you log those two).

So, sure, you can question the rule, but not for the reason you're stating.

This rule should be questioned just because it's easily "cheatable" with fake wives/girlfriends/kids/grannies/friends/wutevah.

Hatedream_old · June 20, 2017

Staff, including myself, have stated this multiple times on the forums and in discord. The rule is 1 account, 1 person. If you are not breaching this simple rule, you will not be punished (in regard to multiple account policy). It is as simple as that. No, we will not discuss how we plan to enforce it; no, you will not be punished if multiple people are playing from the same IP address -- these kind of things have been taken into account.

Goldengoose_old · June 20, 2017

2 hours ago, Hatedream said:

Staff, including myself, have stated this multiple times on the forums and in discord. The rule is 1 account, 1 person. If you are not breaching this simple rule, you will not be punished (in regard to multiple account policy). It is as simple as that. No, we will not discuss how we plan to enforce it; no, you will not be punished if multiple people are playing from the same IP address -- these kind of things have been taken into account.

Did we see this in affect when we saw a few peoples accounts getting auto banned the other day?

Surp_old · June 20, 2017

So we cant have a second account to bank on? I plead that you guys rethink this decision for banking alone.

TheShortestPath_old · June 20, 2017

5 hours ago, Hatedream said:

Staff, including myself, have stated this multiple times on the forums and in discord. The rule is 1 account, 1 person. If you are not breaching this simple rule, you will not be punished (in regard to multiple account policy). It is as simple as that. No, we will not discuss how we plan to enforce it; no, you will not be punished if multiple people are playing from the same IP address -- these kind of things have been taken into account.

You still have not answered why this rule is in place. Re-stating that the rule exists is very blatantly not that.

6 hours ago, gundam said:

At the moment you log-in two accounts at the same time, you're exploiting the system (for whatever reason you log those two).

So, sure, you can question the rule, but not for the reason you're stating.

This rule should be questioned just because it's easily "cheatable" with fake wives/girlfriends/kids/grannies/friends/wutevah.

It's only "exploiting" the system because the admins say it is, which is the very thing I'm asking about the reason for.

Xsmoothx_old · June 20, 2017

I honestly don't know why other servers allowed people to have as many accounts as they wanted. They contributed to the degrading and demise of their own servers. Maybe they felt they couldn't police it. About bank accounts... technically you can have 9 bank toons on the same account so that's not really a thing.

Tyr_old · June 20, 2017

3 hours ago, TheShortestPath said:

You still have not answered why this rule is in place. Re-stating that the rule exists is very blatantly not that.

It's only "exploiting" the system because the admins say it is, which is the very thing I'm asking about the reason for.

You should find many good reasons against multiple accounts in this thread. Hope this helps clearing up the issue.

starzx_old · June 20, 2017

Stop asking SHIT seriously , 1 account per Person is what it should be if you had to subscribe , they are making their rules ( it's great in my opinion ).

You are free to play against the rules but don't fucking come cry if one day they catch you

Play here is a privilege , if you are not happy or satisfy , Deal with it or leave

TheShortestPath_old · June 20, 2017

4 hours ago, Tyr said:

You should find many good reasons against multiple accounts in this thread. Hope this helps clearing up the issue.

There were good reasons to ban multiboxing, but that is not what I am asking about.

1 hour ago, starzx said:

Stop asking SHIT seriously , 1 account per Person is what it should be if you had to subscribe , they are making their rules ( it's great in my opinion ).

You are free to play against the rules but don't fucking come cry if one day they catch you

Play here is a privilege , if you are not happy or satisfy , Deal with it or leave

Go away, troll.

Easy_old · June 21, 2017

1 hour ago, TheShortestPath said:

There were good reasons to ban multiboxing, but that is not what I am asking about.

Go away, troll.

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I'm on the side of no multiboxing allowed of any kind, multiple accounts online at the same time is not good for the game or the server.

I can't think of a single positive outcome from allowing multiple accounts to be online simultaneous and many downsides.

The only reason Blizzard allowed it was because they wont say no to more money. The reason why it wasn't a big problem was because very few people were dedicated enough to spend 2-10 times the money each month to do it. On pservers everyone will be doing it, myself included if it's allowed.

This has a rather large impact on a lot of economic aspects of the game. Some of them are:

Pocket healer for aoe farming prot paladins and the like.

Enchanting your own toons with an alt.

AFKing in BG's / queues while farming on your alt druid.

Portal bot, Soulstone bot, Bank mule

One of the worse ones - Alt scanning AH while you play your main.

On L4G one of the major players in the Cloth farming business did it manual multiboxing with no 3rd party program and he supplied somewhere around 60% of all the spellcloth etc on the server by having 30+ toons.

You can do the last one manually, but it would take so much longer if you could only level 1 toon at a time.

My point is, there are only downsides to it - the only upside is QoL for the player(s) doing it.

Some Additional ones:

Leveling 4-5 toons at a time with /follow on your high level char.

Corpse Camping your enemies on main while leveling your own alt.

Alt's camping rare recipe spawns.

Alt's camping Worldboss spawns while you play your main.

The rabbit hole goes much deeper - these are just some of them.

Can you name even 1 upside to allowing multiple accounts per person that isn't just for your own benefit and QoL?

TheShortestPath_old · June 21, 2017

Playing multiple accounts at once is not the same thing as owning multiple accounts.

zahil_old · June 21, 2017

42 minutes ago, TheShortestPath said:

Playing multiple accounts at once is not the same thing as owning multiple accounts.

There's no point in owning multiple accounts if you're never gonna play on them simultaneously.

Allor_old · June 21, 2017

4 hours ago, TheShortestPath said:

Playing multiple accounts at once is not the same thing as owning multiple accounts.

Why do you want it so badly? You obviously have some shady exploit/abuse which you can't do with one account.

TheShortestPath_old · June 21, 2017

10 hours ago, Allor said:

Why do you want it so badly? You obviously have some shady exploit/abuse which you can't do with one account.

Because it's unnecessarily restrictive and leaves open the possibility for false positives. If one of my guild members has his son make an account and play on his computer, there is nothing to distinguish that from one person owning two accounts and playing on both at different times, other than subjective GM interpretation of how they play.

There is also nothing to exploit or abuse! There is no reason for the restriction, so the restriction shouldn't be there. That is true for all rules anywhere, not just this one in particular.

maddie_old · June 21, 2017

I see a lot of doubts on the part of GMs being able to detect bank accounts.

I think finding out bank accounts is pretty easy, just go through the list of low leveled characters in major cities with full mailboxes, inventories and banks. If the person sending(not CoD'ing, sending) all stuff to this character is from another account, ban the alt after clearing the mailbox so person loses all of their bank. Imo using a bank account shouldnt get you banned from the server, this is too minor an offence to necessitate banhammer. but losing your bank can teach you a lesson

If you want to have bank alts, make them in the same account. This way stuff is sent instantly. This is what we had to do back in the day in retail so its not like they're getting rid of a blizzlike feature...

What i wonder is, how are you going to find 1 person playing in multiple accounts on different factions? There wont be any multiboxing or mailing inbetween so how can you know? Are you planning to modify game.exe to prevent those things, i wish to have an answer and thank you for your work ^^

Edited June 21, 2017 by maddie

Tyr_old · June 21, 2017

10 minutes ago, maddie said:

What i wonder is, how are you going to find 1 person playing in multiple accounts on different factions? There wont be any multiboxing or mailing inbetween so how can you know? Are you planning to modify game.exe to prevent those things, i wish to have an answer and thank you for your work ^^

They won't tell us how they will enforce this, which is reasonable. I can understand that some people are afraid that they might get banned by mistake and therefore want clarification to make sure this doesn't happen to them. Unfortunatly, if they do this they will also make it easier to break the rules unnoticed.

If they don't say anything there will be more people who won't take the risk and just abide to the rules. Those who don't will be easier to find or at least have to do a lot more work to hide their actions.

Allor_old · June 24, 2017

On 2017-06-21 at 6:44 PM, TheShortestPath said:

Because it's unnecessarily restrictive and leaves open the possibility for false positives. If one of my guild members has his son make an account and play on his computer, there is nothing to distinguish that from one person owning two accounts and playing on both at different times, other than subjective GM interpretation of how they play.

There is also nothing to exploit or abuse! There is no reason for the restriction, so the restriction shouldn't be there. That is true for all rules anywhere, not just this one in particular.

Please play on Warmane instead.

TheShortestPath_old · June 24, 2017

1 hour ago, Allor said:

Please play on Warmane instead.

If you have a problem with people asking questions, how about you do instead? You won't be able to read anywhere near as much of their text, since it's a lot of non-English speakers.

AAAZZZ_old · June 29, 2017

On 6/20/2017 at 8:44 PM, zahil said:

There's no point in owning multiple accounts if you're never gonna play on them simultaneously.

I would love to be able to level my friend's character so we could do content together without having to wait a week or two for him to hit 60.

Alsorin_old · June 29, 2017

Mostly agree with @starzx However, I don't fully agree with the policy. I am not going to quit over it. It's a minor inconvenience to play on a server I consider one of the best.

It's like other issues. You can discuss it and become upset, but that's not going to make them change their policy. Seems a lot of the newer forum posters think every desire they want should be done. That's not how it works on private servers. You don't own the server. And here Gummy is paying for it so what he and his devs say is the end of the discussion.

Alsorin_old · June 29, 2017

On 6/20/2017 at 9:44 PM, zahil said:

There's no point in owning multiple accounts if you're never gonna play on them simultaneously.

Do you mean as in run around leveling at the same time? I'll say you're wrong if you believe that.

On live I had a mage on my second account to portal my main and make food. I had numerous bank alts with bank guilds holding various items. Yes, I'm a hoarder. With a ten character limit one account would've been difficult. Couldn't have done the mage unless I could have both accounts.

Here I'm living with it. It's not the end of the world.

brandonvr5000_old · June 29, 2017

On 6/10/2017 at 4:54 AM, gundam said:

One thing is certain, restricting accounts to 1/IP would get rid of the BIGGEST MAJORITY of "multiple accounts/multiboxing" problems, right off the bat.

Please no, I have two others in my house who want to play here.

zahil_old · June 29, 2017

3 hours ago, Alsorin said:

Do you mean as in run around leveling at the same time? I'll say you're wrong if you believe that.

On live I had a mage on my second account to portal my main and make food. I had numerous bank alts with bank guilds holding various items. Yes, I'm a hoarder. With a ten character limit one account would've been difficult. Couldn't have done the mage unless I could have both accounts.

Here I'm living with it. It's not the end of the world.

Portaling your main means you're on both accounts at once. I was responding to the other guy who said "Playing multiple accounts at once is not the same thing as owning multiple accounts."

zahil_old · June 29, 2017

4 hours ago, AAAZZZ said:

I would love to be able to level my friend's character so we could do content together without having to wait a week or two for him to hit 60.

That's different from owning multiple accounts that's account sharing and that's obviously not allowed.

Jacksn_old · June 29, 2017

3 hours ago, zahil said:

that's account sharing and that's obviously not allowed.

Is it, though? The guidelines only mention the multiple accounts and account trading, not sharing.

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Multiple Accounts

You are permitted to own only one account which is to be used both in game and on the forums. This includes, but is not limited to:

Running multiple games at the same time, otherwise known as "multi-boxing"

Owning more than account to exceed maximum character limit

Circumventing a suspension with a secondary account

Would be nice to have an official response to this, I'm wondering if I can use my buddy's druid to farm stuff with.

zahil_old · June 30, 2017

3 hours ago, Jacksn said:

Is it, though? The guidelines only mention the multiple accounts and account trading, not sharing.

Would be nice to have an official response to this, I'm wondering if I can use my buddy's druid to farm stuff with.

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Anthrn2_old · June 30, 2017

It is not encouraged on retail at all times, but certainly allowed, to some extent.

Burnslow_old · June 30, 2017

9 hours ago, Anthrn2 said:

It is not encouraged on retail at all times, but certainly allowed, to some extent.

Correct me if I am wrong but I am prety sure that Reckfull got banned for account sharing on retail.

zahil_old · July 1, 2017

12 hours ago, Burnslow said:

Correct me if I am wrong but I am prety sure that Reckfull got banned for account sharing on retail.

Yes he did

mjkendall14_old · July 1, 2017

I'm bittersweet about this. I always multibox (kind of) when I hit max and want to level an alt. I always level solo, but when I find a group quest like those long chains no on ever does and therefore never has any groups for, or just a quick dungeon run so I don't have to bug guildies like retail. I never did it maliciously, but I agree that if its either all allowed or none, I'd pick none in a heartbeat.

Anthrn2_old · July 1, 2017

18 hours ago, Burnslow said:

Correct me if I am wrong but I am prety sure that Reckfull got banned for account sharing on retail.

I shared my acc with a family member, I played on accounts of my friends - nothing happened

different xpacs too, so if it's nothing suspicious/malicious.. and you could unban yourself probably anyway with just a phone call

but I understand, in terms of private servers, wasting manpower on this is not efficient, but still there's should be an option if you didn't do anything malicious

Edited July 1, 2017 by Anthrn2

derpspencer_old · July 1, 2017

Agree with one account per person. At it's best it would allow everyone to make a mage alt for portals, food and water. That still has negative consequences as mages already are benched in later content in TBC. It also encourages less social interaction.

At it's worst it gets real bad and people have already explained why.

AAAZZZ_old · July 1, 2017

On 6/29/2017 at 3:16 PM, zahil said:

That's different from owning multiple accounts that's account sharing and that's obviously not allowed.

Why not? The only reason blizzard doesn't allow it is because they want more money. Before you say any stupid shit about getting your stuff stolen my friend and I are both male.

lierox90_old · July 1, 2017

On 9.06.2017 at 1:17 PM, Victoria said:

I believe this is not allowed. Blizzard doesn't allow it either. Besides sharing your account with friends doesn't seem like a very good idea. There's nothing to be done if they decide to screw you over.

Blizzard never had anything agains multiboxing as long as it did not involved bugging game, neither they had anything agains multiple accounts, they did not care as long as people paid.

Some wanted to hear benefits of multiple accounts well here are examplary 2:

1. A single wow account have limit of 9 or 11 characters, if you were for example a complete nolife and would want to have each spec on separate character, well sorry then bud you will run out of space.

2. Server has not even started yet, you have no idea how big community will be, how population of the server will evolve, there is no guarantee that when you reach lvl 70 with first char and you will go for an alt youwill have as decent lvling expierence as you had for your main, because there might be people who wil not give a f**k and wont colaborate in doing harder quests or dungeos, and now people who call these who are in favour of multi acc are actually selfish, because you are forcing people to be dependant on others mercy, for all i know server might by the end consist of assholes.

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Multiple Accounts

You are permitted to own only one account which is to be used both in game and on the forums. This includes, but is not limited to:

Running multiple games at the same time, otherwise known as "multi-boxing"

Owning more than account to exceed maximum character limit

Circumventing a suspension with a secondary account

"multi-boxing" is not just running multiple instances of game with logged in accounts, multi-box is also running additional software that maps key events across every wow instance so characters does exactly the same. I wonder how much we can rely on admins/gms fair judgement when they do not know what they forbid.

Edited July 1, 2017 by lierox90
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Pankus_old · July 2, 2017

does this mean you can't play with people in the same household at the same time?

Jacksn_old · July 2, 2017

28 minutes ago, Pankus said:

does this mean you can't play with people in the same household at the same time?

No, it doesn't. People in the same household can play on their own accounts at the same time.

Pankus_old · July 2, 2017

then GL enforcing this rule....

Foster_old · July 2, 2017

4 hours ago, Pankus said:

then GL enforcing this rule....

It ain't hard my guy

gundam_old · July 2, 2017

40 minutes ago, Foster said:

It ain't hard my guy

it actually is

Victoria_old · July 2, 2017

On 1.7.2017 at 4:11 PM, lierox90 said:

Blizzard never had anything agains multiboxing as long as it did not involved bugging game, neither they had anything agains multiple accounts, they did not care as long as people paid.

I know but Blizzard has always been against account sharing. That's what I meant.

Foster_old · July 2, 2017

3 hours ago, gundam said:

it actually is

It's very easy. Simply instruct the two players to do something both at once that a single player can't possibly do. How do you think other private servers catch people who multibox?

gundam_old · July 2, 2017

1 hour ago, Foster said:

It's very easy. Simply instruct the two players to do something both at once that a single player can't possibly do. How do you think other private servers catch people who multibox?

...good luck inspecting thousands of accounts

Edited July 2, 2017 by gundam

Foster_old · July 2, 2017

22 minutes ago, gundam said:

...good luck inspecting thousands of accounts

Not hard when you can query by IP

EMR_old · July 3, 2017

"multiboxing does not do anything to harm anyone, ever"

Pankus_old · July 3, 2017

This thread isn't exclusively about people trying to justify multi-boxing, its about having multiple accounts and in my case; I am concerned that I may be IP banned under the vague wording of the servers policy simply for owning a second one not using multiple at the same time to get an advantage over others...

Pietri_old · July 3, 2017

3 minutes ago, Pankus said:

This thread isn't exclusively about people trying to justify multi-boxing, its about having multiple accounts and in my case; I am concerned that I may be IP banned under the vague wording of the servers policy simply for owning a second one not using multiple at the same time to get an advantage over others...

You are correct in your concern, although there's nothing really vague about the wording. One account per person, no exceptions.

Edited July 3, 2017 by Pietri

Tyr_old · July 3, 2017

2 minutes ago, Pankus said:

This thread isn't exclusively about people trying to justify multi-boxing, its about having multiple accounts and in my case; I am concerned that I may be IP banned under the vague wording of the servers policy simply for owning a second one not using multiple at the same time to get an advantage over others...

Not sure if I understood you correctly but if you have more than one account that's already against the rules. It doesn't matter if you use them at the same time or not. 2 active accounts for one person is forbidden. Sorry if you already knew that and I just misunderstood your post.

Pankus_old · July 3, 2017

I guess the rule seems a little harsh imo for ppl not using multiple accounts to multibox, but its their server...

Tyr_old · July 3, 2017

38 minutes ago, Pankus said:

I guess the rule seems a little harsh imo for ppl not using multiple accounts to multibox, but its their server...

There is a thread with a lot of reasons why not only multi-boxing but also having multiple accounts is problematic. Here is the link if you are interested.

Edited July 3, 2017 by Tyr

xela_old · July 3, 2017

So for players that will be sharing the same network to play on the server, how would the GMs distinguish from these people and supposed "multiboxers"? Both my brother and I are interested in playing on the server, on the same PC, how would we go about doing so if multiple accounts are not allowed on the same machine/IP?

Edited July 3, 2017 by xela

Foster_old · July 4, 2017

2 hours ago, xela said:

So for players that will be sharing the same network to play on the server, how would the GMs distinguish from these people and supposed "multiboxers"? Both my brother and I are interested in playing on the server, on the same PC, how would we go about doing so if multiple accounts are not allowed on the same machine/IP?

Multiboxing is when you have two accounts online at the same time

xela_old · July 4, 2017

13 minutes ago, Foster said:

Multiboxing is when you have two accounts online at the same time

Ah that is right. Mixed up the two terms "multiboxing" and "multiple accounts." According to to the rules players are limited to just one account. Given this, how is this rule enforced when per se there are multiple players in a household sharing the same IP/Computer?

Edited July 4, 2017 by xela

Foster_old · July 4, 2017

3 hours ago, xela said:

Ah that is right. Mixed up the two terms "multiboxing" and "multiple accounts." According to to the rules players are limited to just one account. Given this, how is this rule enforced when per se there are multiple players in a household sharing the same IP/Computer?

I don't think they will proactively monitor this, probably just reactionary if needed. They've already stated that you won't get in trouble if your family uses the same computer, so I wouldn't worry about it.

Shush_old · July 4, 2017

What a joke this server is going to be if they try to place entirely unenforceable rules on us, immediately criminalizing over half the servers population from day 1, putting all the power of bans at the whim of lowly volunteer GMs who have characters on the server, giving massive advantages to the MANY MANY people who disregard this rule and who will NEVER be penalized for doing so, just like anathema. What this does is shit on anyone who follows the rules from a great great height, while making it quite clear to everyone else who breaks the rules that this servers rules are there to be broken.... way to encourage the populous to disregard server rules entirely, good job idiots. Now you not only have a rule that is entirely impossible to have the manpower to enforce (stretching your staff out to its limits) you also have ontop of that a population of people who you just encouraged to try breaking every other shitty server rule to see if they can get away with it. This is one of the stupidest moves a server can make and its quite evident it has been done to directly replicate Anathema and appease the "vocal majority" who still play that server.

Edited July 4, 2017 by Shush

Vaccine_old · July 4, 2017

This is great news, ty gummy.

stif_old · July 4, 2017

there are multiple problems with multiboxing

but the most that bothers me is

farming and siting in Q's becouse of some smart guy who thinks he needs 10 mages

Alba_old · July 4, 2017

Really happy with the stance on multi-boxing and don't mind the one account per person, but not happy with the number of alts allowed.

I've absolutely no interest in the endgame and I will spend my time levelling alts.

If the server goes as well as expected and the wPVP doesn't make me quit, then I will struggle with only 10 alts allowed.

Edited July 4, 2017 by Alba
typed wrong word

xela_old · July 4, 2017

15 hours ago, Foster said:

I don't think they will proactively monitor this, probably just reactionary if needed. They've already stated that you won't get in trouble if your family uses the same computer, so I wouldn't worry about it.

Where exactly did they state this? I have gone through most of this thread and don't remember seeing an official statement on how they would approach this issue.

Exodus73_old · July 5, 2017

Mission Complete: Respect+

RealVice_old · July 5, 2017

If we do enough noise and if we multibox anyway and in big numbers, they'll eventually be forced to remove this dumb-ass rule, like Hellfire did. They can't ban us all and there's no way in hell they can know if we're the same person playing two accounts, or multiple people playing from same IP. They can's ban us all and if they will, they'll have a ghost town with 500 people at best. It's already a 1x server which will be a huge turn-off for majority, I don't think they have the luxury to ban people for boosting their own alt in a dungeon or a group quest, conjuring some food for their own main, or giving them portal or enchant. That's fucking bullshit. This rule must be changed, it's in our and their own interest.

Edited July 5, 2017 by RealVice

Pietri_old · July 5, 2017

13 minutes ago, RealVice said:

If we do enough noise and if we multibox anyway and in big numbers, they'll eventually be forced to remove this dumb-ass rule, like Hellfire did. They can't ban us all and there's no way in hell they can know if we're the same person playing two accounts, or multiple people playing from same IP. They can's ban us all and if they will, they'll have a ghost town with 500 people at best. It's already a 1x server which will be a huge turn-off for majority, I don't think they have the luxury to ban people for boosting their own alt in a dungeon or a group quest, conjuring some food for their own main, or giving them portal or enchant. That's fucking bullshit. This rule must be changed, it's in our and their own interest.

You are wildly overestimating the number of people who share your opinion.

Edited July 5, 2017 by Pietri

RealVice_old · July 5, 2017

2 minutes ago, Pietri said:

You are wildly overestimating the number of people who share your opinion.

We'll see about that.

gundam_old · July 5, 2017

58 minutes ago, RealVice said:

If we do enough noise and if we multibox anyway and in big numbers, they'll eventually be forced to remove this dumb-ass rule, like Hellfire did. They can't ban us all and there's no way in hell they can know if we're the same person playing two accounts, or multiple people playing from same IP. They can's ban us all and if they will, they'll have a ghost town with 500 people at best. It's already a 1x server which will be a huge turn-off for majority, I don't think they have the luxury to ban people for boosting their own alt in a dungeon or a group quest, conjuring some food for their own main, or giving them portal or enchant. That's fucking bullshit. This rule must be changed, it's in our and their own interest.

I may agree with you ONLY if the rule about "3rd party software" usage is lifted too.

Pankus_old · July 5, 2017

IP doesn't mean the same computer that's a mac address

Dinadass_old · July 5, 2017

I've played other emu servers that had pretty good systems of detecting people using multiple accounts at once, while real people playing from the same IP were just fine. I have no doubt this server can manage something similar.

Azuraya_old · July 6, 2017

19 hours ago, Dinadass said:

I've played other emu servers that had pretty good systems of detecting people using multiple accounts at once, while real people playing from the same IP were just fine. I have no doubt this server can manage something similar.

IP related detection mostly renders 95% of the people willing to multibox to give up on it. And its a relatively easy method to implement.

Where'as some... i do solely note ''SOME'' individuals go to great lengths in order to devise something to pull it off. Those souls are mostly deep invested somewhere down the road and eventually get caught as well and lose months of investment.

gundam_old · July 6, 2017

36 minutes ago, Azuraya said:

IP related detection mostly renders 95% of the people willing to multibox to give up on it. And its a relatively easy method to implement.

Where'as some... i do solely note ''SOME'' individuals go to great lengths in order to devise something to pull it off. Those souls are mostly deep invested somewhere down the road and eventually get caught as well and lose months of investment.

I completely agree with you.

All other methods, other than IP-based detection, will, imho, fail.

Alba_old · July 6, 2017

On 05/07/2017 at 8:32 AM, RealVice said:

If we do enough noise and if we multibox anyway and in big numbers, they'll eventually be forced to remove this dumb-ass rule, like Hellfire did. They can't ban us all and there's no way in hell they can know if we're the same person playing two accounts, or multiple people playing from same IP. They can's ban us all and if they will, they'll have a ghost town with 500 people at best. It's already a 1x server which will be a huge turn-off for majority, I don't think they have the luxury to ban people for boosting their own alt in a dungeon or a group quest, conjuring some food for their own main, or giving them portal or enchant. That's fucking bullshit. This rule must be changed, it's in our and their own interest.

A 1x server is the main attraction along with good scripting. Without these, I wouldn't be anywhere near this project.

If I were a dev, then I would be putting your account on my list of people to to watch out for for illegal behavior, since you have openly admitted you are going to try and cheat your way through this expansion and you are also encouraging others to do the same.

Xsmoothx_old · July 6, 2017

On 7/5/2017 at 0:32 AM, RealVice said:

If we do enough noise and if we multibox anyway and in big numbers, they'll eventually be forced to remove this dumb-ass rule, like Hellfire did. They can't ban us all and there's no way in hell they can know if we're the same person playing two accounts, or multiple people playing from same IP. They can's ban us all and if they will, they'll have a ghost town with 500 people at best. It's already a 1x server which will be a huge turn-off for majority, I don't think they have the luxury to ban people for boosting their own alt in a dungeon or a group quest, conjuring some food for their own main, or giving them portal or enchant. That's fucking bullshit. This rule must be changed, it's in our and their own interest.

Hopefully they ban your IP right now to ease your pain.

Cojul_old · July 7, 2017

What if I somehow level over 10 toons and want to make more? Are you really going to tell me I can't make another account to level another guy? Obviously this is a what if question because that would take countless hours but still.

I mean I understand and agree with removing multiboxers and preventing people from exploiting it to get ahead but if I play each one individually why couldn't I have more than 9 or 10 slots?

Pietri_old · July 7, 2017

2 hours ago, Cojul said:

What if I somehow level over 10 toons and want to make more? Are you really going to tell me I can't make another account to level another guy? Obviously this is a what if question because that would take countless hours but still.

I mean I understand and agree with removing multiboxers and preventing people from exploiting it to get ahead but if I play each one individually why couldn't I have more than 9 or 10 slots?

If it gets to that point, you may have to have a good, hard, long think about which of your 10 characters you could probably do without. I'm sure you'll reach a decision.

lierox90_old · July 9, 2017

Ill write this again as people seem to be ignorant by default.

MultiBoxing - is using additional (guess what, it was called like that) software that maps events from one wow.exe isntance to others.

Being logged in on several accounts is not multiboxing.....

lierox90_old · July 9, 2017

On 7.07.2017 at 6:05 PM, Pietri said:

If it gets to that point, you may have to have a good, hard, long think about which of your 10 characters you could probably do without. I'm sure you'll reach a decision.

It doesnt matter, server is aiming for blizzlike, blizzard never denayed an opportunity to own multiple accounts, for example just because you want you should be able to lvl up 100 mages as long as they are within limit per account...

Taurgar_old · July 9, 2017

1 hour ago, lierox90 said:

Ill write this again as people seem to be ignorant by default.

MultiBoxing - is using additional (guess what, it was called like that) software that maps events from one wow.exe isntance to others.

Being logged in on several accounts is not multiboxing.....

Doesnt matter, both is forbidden. Deal with it.

Pietri_old · July 9, 2017

2 hours ago, lierox90 said:

blizzard never denayed an opportunity to own multiple accounts

No, they just required you to pay them more money each month for the privilege. Since accounts here are free, that argument doesn't transfer over entirely intact. To be 'Blizzlike' in the manner you describe, this server would have to charge a sub. Since that's out of the question, the comparison is not useful.

You're still perfectly welcome to level up 100 mages, provided you delete some every time you hit the 10 character limit.

snowknight_old · July 10, 2017

its kinda shit getting 1 shot while you are out in the world by some guy running 10 toons at once, you stand zero chance of survival.

Zig_old · July 10, 2017

18 hours ago, lierox90 said:

Ill write this again as people seem to be ignorant by default.

MultiBoxing - is using additional (guess what, it was called like that) software that maps events from one wow.exe isntance to others.

Being logged in on several accounts is not multiboxing.....

Call it whatever you want. One account per person will be permitted on this server.

Xsmoothx_old · July 10, 2017

One account per person. There is no ambiguity there.

strreamix_old · July 10, 2017

Great decision, keeps the game as fair as possible.

rynekk_old · July 10, 2017

Good decision making, Felmyst team. No reason what so ever to have multiple accounts.

pascalhprubs_old · July 10, 2017

I have serious concerns about one aspect of this rule.

While I can appreciate the desire to rule out multiboxing, for a number of reasons, having access to friends and guildmates accounts can be very important for running a guild or just enjoying the game.

For example:

It is very expensive to proc discoveries on all the flasks. Guilds require access to flasks for raiding. Usually the guild alchemist will share his info with a friend or an officer so that the guild still has access to flasks if they are away for a weekend.

The same reasoning applies to pot masters, JCs, and enchanters with very rare patterns (eg mongoose).

Some classes also have a lot of trouble farming, especially when most classes require at least one and sometimes two raiding professions. Often players, especially healers, will farm on a friends character because farming on their own character is so inefficient.

Another example:

Certain fights require a character to be prepared with very specific loot / spec etc (eg prot paladin on tidewalker, resist gear on hydross, tank warlock on Leo, tank mage on Maulgar)

If this person cannot attend a raid, the entire guild has to sit around for a night doing nothing. This is usually dealt with by having the key player share their info with one person.

A third example:

Three friends who raid together have characters that cannot farm efficiently:

Resto Shaman with Alch / LW

Holy Priest with Tailoring/Enchanting

Prot Warrior with LW / Engineering

They level a druid alt together on a separate account and pool for an epic mount - they get mining and herbalism on the character and use it to farm their raid consumables.

Will this rule be interpreted to mean that if i EVER log onto more than a single account, my own, on Felmyst I will be committing a bannable offense? This strikes me as extremely draconian. Furthermore it is unclear what purpose such a strict rule serves.

How will enforcement work? What if my friend and I are in the same house, one of us power leveling the other. It will look exactly like someone power leveling their alt on a different account.

Why not just make the rule, 1 account per person logged in at a time? Why is it a problem if I put my alt on a second account so that someone else in my guild can farm with it? Why is it a problem if guildmates have access to important accounts within the guild? A certain amount of account sharing is just extremely common in WoW because it is so convenient and helpful for guildmates and friends to be able to share accounts. It does not improve the quality of the Felmyst experience to prevent us from engaging in a reasonable amount of account sharing.

Cleavis_old · July 10, 2017

There are some extremely poor examples here of why people need a second account or need to share accounts. The short answer is you don't strictly need either of these things and they are merely conveniences that you have grown accustomed to or fond of. It has likely been said, but think of the macro level design for a minute:

Multiple accounts results inevitably in mage and warlock alts for easy transportation. This discounts other transportation mechanics and reduces the number of interactions between actual people playing these classes (this is an MMO...).
Multiple accounts results inevitably in spawn camping of overworld resources (world bosses, herbs, mining, etc.), making these less accessible to more-casual players.
Multiple accounts results in some mechanics being accessible (cross-faction trading, cross-faction buffing) that should be difficult or impossible to access if you are trying to emulate the retail tbc experience.
Multiple accounts requires you to make additional rules in pvp (no honor farming yourself, no queuing against yourself) that GMs then need to enforce, eating up resources.
Multi-boxing reduces the number of situations in which you have to form a group with actual people, leaving those people with less to do and reducing the number of meaningful interactions in the community (still an MMO...).

One way or another a private server needs to deal with abuse of mechanics arising from multiple free accounts - else you become a server where everyone has soulstones and buffs all the time, people only travel via portal and summon, and overworld resources are permanently controlled by a small handful of dedicated players. So either you can enforce a 1-person-1-account restriction, come up with 'blizzlike+' hack fixes for the issues that arise, or emulate a garbage experience where everything goes. Seems like a simple decision.

TheShortestPath_old · July 10, 2017

30 minutes ago, Cleavis said:

There are some extremely poor examples here of why people need a second account or need to share accounts. The short answer is you don't strictly need either of these things and they are merely conveniences that you have grown accustomed to or fond of. It has likely been said, but think of the macro level design for a minute:

Multiple accounts results inevitably in mage and warlock alts for easy transportation. This discounts other transportation mechanics and reduces the number of interactions between actual people playing these classes (this is an MMO...).

Multiple accounts results inevitably in spawn camping of overworld resources (world bosses, herbs, mining, etc.), making these less accessible to more-casual players.

Multiple accounts results in some mechanics being accessible (cross-faction trading, cross-faction buffing) that should be difficult or impossible to access if you are trying to emulate the retail tbc experience.

Multiple accounts requires you to make additional rules in pvp (no honor farming yourself, no queuing against yourself) that GMs then need to enforce, eating up resources.

Multi-boxing reduces the number of situations in which you have to form a group with actual people, leaving those people with less to do and reducing the number of meaningful interactions in the community (still an MMO...).

One way or another a private server needs to deal with abuse of mechanics arising from multiple free accounts - else you become a server where everyone has soulstones and buffs all the time, people only travel via portal and summon, and overworld resources are permanently controlled by a small handful of dedicated players. So either you can enforce a 1-person-1-account restriction, come up with 'blizzlike+' hack fixes for the issues that arise, or emulate a garbage experience where everything goes. Seems like a simple decision.

All of those things are caused by multiboxing, not owning multiple accounts.

Having multiple accounts that are not logged in at the same time should not be against the rules because it cannot provide any advantages whatsoever other than going over the character limit, and furthermore is not in any way detectable short of a GM analyzing our chat messages for speech patterns and other similarly inane and subjective things.

This is a problem because multiple people who play on the same computer (i.e. siblings, or a parent and child who play) is indistinguishable from one person with multiple accounts playing on that computer. There is at least one person in my playgroup with a son, both of whom plan to play here, and both of whom use the same computer, and if they cannot have a guarantee of not being picked up as a false positive due to subjective GM enforcement of this that is a problem.

pascalhprubs_old · July 10, 2017

1 hour ago, Cleavis said:

There are some extremely poor examples here of why people need a second account or need to share accounts. The short answer is you don't strictly need either of these things and they are merely conveniences that you have grown accustomed to or fond of. It has likely been said, but think of the macro level design for a minute:

Multiple accounts results inevitably in mage and warlock alts for easy transportation. This discounts other transportation mechanics and reduces the number of interactions between actual people playing these classes (this is an MMO...).

Multiple accounts results inevitably in spawn camping of overworld resources (world bosses, herbs, mining, etc.), making these less accessible to more-casual players.

Multiple accounts results in some mechanics being accessible (cross-faction trading, cross-faction buffing) that should be difficult or impossible to access if you are trying to emulate the retail tbc experience.

Multiple accounts requires you to make additional rules in pvp (no honor farming yourself, no queuing against yourself) that GMs then need to enforce, eating up resources.

Multi-boxing reduces the number of situations in which you have to form a group with actual people, leaving those people with less to do and reducing the number of meaningful interactions in the community (still an MMO...).

One way or another a private server needs to deal with abuse of mechanics arising from multiple free accounts - else you become a server where everyone has soulstones and buffs all the time, people only travel via portal and summon, and overworld resources are permanently controlled by a small handful of dedicated players. So either you can enforce a 1-person-1-account restriction, come up with 'blizzlike+' hack fixes for the issues that arise, or emulate a garbage experience where everything goes. Seems like a simple decision.

You have made some good points here.

Let us suppose I accept that one person owning multiple accounts is a fundamental problem.

Let us further suppose that the in-game staff have a reliable way of separating multi-boxers and multi-account users from multiple distinct users on the same computer / in the same house.

It is still a problem if friends and guild members cannot access each others accounts. If you haven't been in a spot where a guild needs access to the account of someone who is out of town, you have just never raided or played seriously. Furthermore, doing so doesnt cause any of the problems you are worried about.

As for farming on a friend or guildmates account, this is a really important QoL improvement that seems to me to be both blizzlike (at least I did it extensively in retail and it was common practice on my server) and completely reasonable. If you want to forbid keeping farming characters on separate accounts to prevent extensive spawn camping, fair enough - I dont want people camping spawns either.

I don't want to see a bunch of reasonable behaviour on the part of players trying to enjoy the server without negatively impacting anyone forbidden when it doesnt have to be.

There should be a reasonable version of this policy that does not forbid harmless account sharing amongst friends/guildmates but still forbids all of the abusive / borderline abusive behaviour that comes from multiboxing.

I think the reasonable rule is to forbid multiboxing and a second account for the same person.

Money_old · July 10, 2017

On ‎6‎/‎21‎/‎2017 at 0:44 PM, TheShortestPath said:

Because it's unnecessarily restrictive and leaves open the possibility for false positives. If one of my guild members has his son make an account and play on his computer, there is nothing to distinguish that from one person owning two accounts and playing on both at different times, other than subjective GM interpretation of how they play.

There is also nothing to exploit or abuse! There is no reason for the restriction, so the restriction shouldn't be there. That is true for all rules anywhere, not just this one in particular.

it's absolutely perfectly restrictive, actually. One positive to the rule (amongst many) is that if you get banned for cheating like botting, you're pretty much done from playing the server unless they decide to unban you at some time in the future. This makes the penalty extremely stiff and should limit these kinds of crappy behavior that do no good for the server. Same goes for if you're banned for excessive harassment, or really anything. A perma ban is actually a perma ban. It's not just shitty that you lost an account, but you'll just go make another one.

Wavelength_old · July 10, 2017

On 7/5/2017 at 3:32 AM, RealVice said:

They can't ban us all

HUEHUEHUEHUEHUE

Man I hope they can. I really really hope they can. I hope you parasites and your enablers just keep moseying down the road to the next awful funserver that pops up. The amount of literal children and obvious goldsellers infesting these threads is sickening. One person, one account. Them's the rules and if you don't like em you can just hit the bricks and go to the next barbershop, jack. There is no shortage of "acceptable" quality servers that let you do your shenanigans.

TheShortestPath_old · July 11, 2017

23 hours ago, Money said:

it's absolutely perfectly restrictive, actually. One positive to the rule (amongst many) is that if you get banned for cheating like botting, you're pretty much done from playing the server unless they decide to unban you at some time in the future. This makes the penalty extremely stiff and should limit these kinds of crappy behavior that do no good for the server. Same goes for if you're banned for excessive harassment, or really anything. A perma ban is actually a perma ban. It's not just shitty that you lost an account, but you'll just go make another one.

Just ban people for ban evasion then? And even then they can get their ISP to change their IP address and there's absolutely no way to catch them unless they make really dumb mistakes.

Money_old · July 11, 2017

7 minutes ago, TheShortestPath said:

Just ban people for ban evasion then? And even then they can get their ISP to change their IP address and there's absolutely no way to catch them unless they make really dumb mistakes.

There are ways to circumvent and work your way around every rule ever created by man for anything. Doesn't mean you just don't create them.

Edited July 11, 2017 by Money

TheShortestPath_old · July 11, 2017

Just now, Money said:

There are ways to circumvent and work your way around every rule ever created. Doesn't mean you just don't create them.

Yes and this is why they just make a rule against ban evasion like I said, that's pretty simple.

Money_old · July 11, 2017

2 minutes ago, TheShortestPath said:

Yes and this is why they just make a rule against ban evasion like I said, that's pretty simple.

There already is one...

Quote

Multiple Accounts

You are permitted to own only one account which is to be used both in game and on the forums. This includes, but is not limited to:

Running multiple games at the same time, otherwise known as "multi-boxing"

Owning more than account to exceed maximum character limit

Circumventing a suspension with a secondary account

So I'm not sure what you're even trying to argue at this point. Everything I said in my original post that you're trying to refute still stands as stated.

TheShortestPath_old · July 11, 2017

1 minute ago, Money said:

There already is one...

So I'm not sure what you're even trying to argue at this point. Everything I said in my original post that you're trying to refute still stands as stated.

Right, so the reason you said banning multiple accounts in general is a good idea is totally redundant and irrelevant, because it's already against the rules to evade bans/suspensions.

Somebody please answer my point about multiple people playing on the same computer and hitting false positives, because that is still a concern.

MattzPwnz_old · July 12, 2017

Multibox should be banned, we're not official who charges per account. There is no point, it would just enable cheaters/botters. Not to say that there are few legit players, still.

Malivick_old · July 12, 2017

So let me get this straight. If i am understanding correctly you will be limited to one account per IP address. So like if i have two computers and want to make an account for my kid or my wife to play with that is not allowed and i will be permaban? Like I dont understand how this is going to work. Will the server be able to detect two separate machines and only flag people running two clients on the same machine? Can someone please clarify how this works? Like I cant believe that i would not be allowed to play with my family that lives in the same house as me.

Pietri_old · July 12, 2017

15 minutes ago, Malivick said:

So let me get this straight. If i am understanding correctly you will be limited to one account per IP address.

You're not understanding correctly. The policy is one account per person.

Staff have previously confirmed that there is no problem with more than one person playing from the same household.

The specifics of how they will enforce this rule are not for us to know - if it was public knowledge, it would be much easier for people to get around it. They won't be banning people without the situation being reviewed by a human staff member, so you don't need to worry about some program automatically permabanning you without recourse.

Stick to playing on one account and you'll be fine.

Edited July 12, 2017 by Pietri

Phemeto_old · July 12, 2017

Seems like it's for the greater good. You people are so paranoid. Just don't multibox. It's pretty obvious if you're playing with someone else in the house, or controlling 2 players by yourself.

Malivick_old · July 12, 2017

2 hours ago, Pietri said:

You're not understanding correctly. The policy is one account per person.

Staff have previously confirmed that there is no problem with more than one person playing from the same household.

Thanks for the reply. The OP additional info page wasnt that clear and was seeing different interpretations from others. i guess i panicked a little because the one account per household made zero sense to me. Also i agree with no multiboxing. Thanks again.

Azuraya_old · July 13, 2017

On 7/6/2017 at 9:13 PM, Alba said:

A 1x server is the main attraction along with good scripting. Without these, I wouldn't be anywhere near this project.

If I were a dev, then I would be putting your account on my list of people to to watch out for for illegal behavior, since you have openly admitted you are going to try and cheat your way through this expansion and you are also encouraging others to do the same.

Unfortunately it never stays with helping out your alt a bit by making portals and food/drinks. It always leads to multiboxing in ways that harm the community as a whole. So that's why they have to take a stand against this stuff!

(i don't know what the hell went wrong but i wanted to quote the guy that was saying that its bullshit not to be able to multibox) Sorry for quoting the wrong person lol!

Edited July 13, 2017 by Azuraya

Azuraya_old · July 13, 2017

On 7/4/2017 at 8:13 PM, Shush said:

What a joke this server is going to be if they try to place entirely unenforceable rules on us, immediately criminalizing over half the servers population from day 1, putting all the power of bans at the whim of lowly volunteer GMs who have characters on the server, giving massive advantages to the MANY MANY people who disregard this rule and who will NEVER be penalized for doing so, just like anathema. What this does is shit on anyone who follows the rules from a great great height, while making it quite clear to everyone else who breaks the rules that this servers rules are there to be broken.... way to encourage the populous to disregard server rules entirely, good job idiots. Now you not only have a rule that is entirely impossible to have the manpower to enforce (stretching your staff out to its limits) you also have ontop of that a population of people who you just encouraged to try breaking every other shitty server rule to see if they can get away with it. This is one of the stupidest moves a server can make and its quite evident it has been done to directly replicate Anathema and appease the "vocal majority" who still play that server.

People like you just don't seem to understand that the harder you run, the harder you fall. You will eventually get caught, no matter how smart you think you are to outrun the system. There's always people around that notify certain... ''strange behaviour''. Eventually you'll get reported and lose months if not years of investment. Just don't be a dickhead (for those that want to try this out) and play the normal way would ya.

Wavelength_old · July 13, 2017

On 7/12/2017 at 3:06 PM, Malivick said:

seeing different interpretations from others.

This is a deliberate effort from cheaters, scammers, goldsellers and assorted other scum designed to spook you into rumbling for easements on the server rules. The official rules are extremely clear and don't leave room for interpretation. ONE ACCOUNT PER PERSON. This is not complicated or obtuse, anyone trying to make it out to be is up to no good.

Azuraya_old · July 13, 2017

1 minute ago, Wavelength said:

This is a deliberate effort from cheaters, scammers, goldsellers and assorted other scum designed to spook you into rumbling for easements on the server rules. The official rules are extremely clear and don't leave room for interpretation. ONE ACCOUNT PER PERSON. This is not complicated or obtuse, anyone trying to make it out to be is up to no good.

this!

Krueger_old · July 14, 2017

Good decision.

TheShortestPath_old · July 14, 2017

6 hours ago, Wavelength said:

This is a deliberate effort from cheaters, scammers, goldsellers and assorted other scum designed to spook you into rumbling for easements on the server rules. The official rules are extremely clear and don't leave room for interpretation. ONE ACCOUNT PER PERSON. This is not complicated or obtuse, anyone trying to make it out to be is up to no good.

Wrong! Answer my goddamn issue that I have clearly stated multiple times in this thread before making bullshit claims like this.

There is no objective way to determine the "owners" of multiple different accounts played on the same computer by different people. This is a problem for families, and has yet to be addressed by anybody.

lostone_old · July 14, 2017

11 hours ago, TheShortestPath said:

There is no objective way to determine the "owners" of multiple different accounts played on the same computer by different people. This is a problem for families, and has yet to be addressed by anybody.

You are right on this point.

Now explain to me in the most basic way on how two or more people can play on one computer and just one computer at the same time?

gundam_old · July 14, 2017

15 minutes ago, lostone said:

You are right on this point.

Now explain to me in the most basic way on how two or more people can play on one computer and just one computer at the same time?

sharing one single account for such "IP"

TheShortestPath_old · July 14, 2017

1 hour ago, lostone said:

You are right on this point.

Now explain to me in the most basic way on how two or more people can play on one computer and just one computer at the same time?

It has nothing to do with being at the same time. Admins have said that it's forbidden to own multiple accounts even if you do not play them at the same time, so I am asking what will be preventing them from assuming two people who play using the same computer are just one guy alternating between two accounts.

gundam_old · July 14, 2017

33 minutes ago, TheShortestPath said:

It has nothing to do with being at the same time. Admins have said that it's forbidden to own multiple accounts even if you do not play them at the same time, so I am asking what will be preventing them from assuming two people who play using the same computer are just one guy alternating between two accounts.

I don't think that is even slightly possible, unless they have some way to retrieve/collect/compare "Ergonomic and Anthropometric Data" for each and every account (every single different person leave behind a different erconomic/anthropometric footprint, using mouse, keyboard, touchscreen and every other input device).

Two different accounts may be logged in by two different people from the same computer and those two accounts will be virtually undistinguishable from the server PoV.

Same goes if one single person will log in those two accounts at different times. The "fake brother" excuse will be fool-proof for everyone that wanna cheat the system (yes, especially for those europoors where two brothers, like me and my little one, are sharing the same computer). To stop this they may ask for a phone-verification process, or require you to upload your RL documents to prove your and your fake-brother identity.

Alba_old · July 14, 2017

2 hours ago, TheShortestPath said:

It has nothing to do with being at the same time. Admins have said that it's forbidden to own multiple accounts even if you do not play them at the same time, so I am asking what will be preventing them from assuming two people who play using the same computer are just one guy alternating between two accounts.

If people didn't try to cheat the system, then the admins wouldn't need to police things and innocent people wouldn't get caught up in the problem.

You see this everywhere in life - people and companies cheat so rules have to be made to stop them and innocent people and companies can get caught up in it.

The people to blame are the cheats since they cause the problem.

maddie_old · July 14, 2017

Fact of the matter is, as long as you're not playing with 2 accounts at the same time with 2 clients open, you shouldnt be in a risk at all. But the question is, would you want to risk it? For such a minimap gain, why would you try to do something you shouldnt be able to do by game design?The best rule systems are usually established by the people that should abide rules, and people that govern those rules coming together. If we took a reasonable size of average Vanilla/TBC players and asked them to list you some simple, efficient rules to make the server fair and enjoyable, you would end up with complaints against multiboxing, botters, toxicity etc. BTW I got a minor warning for linking a George Carlin video about racism, and got no problem with it. If its a strict rule that is applied to everyone to keep toxicity or overall bad gaming experience at bay, i am fine with it.

This server, the way i see it, is simply delivering these basic rules that MAJORITY of oldschool gamers would like to see. I have a PC that can run 10 clients at the same time no issue, but I have almost never multiboxed for anything other than sitting in a Major City with 2 decked out geared characters at the same time Even when i was offered an inactive account to help me grind some of the most time consuming things in game, i refused and used a solo client except for banking etc. Why? because its stupid as fuck. It ruins everything about immersion when you see a person running with 3-4 alts in tow. If server is very populated and multiboxing is ffa, it becomes IMPOSSIBLE to fight for resources in that area, because that jackass is bullying you out of it. He can press a single button and fuck you up. He can alt tab onto another client and heal himself. This is the kind of advantage you wouldnt be able to get in live servers because lets face it most of you wouldnt pay it, not everyone is Corpsegrinder.

Only people i feel sorry about are those saying they like to level alts. Since I personally tested low level content multiple times, I think its very very decent, better than every vanilla server out there.

Edited July 14, 2017 by maddie

Xenon1334_old · July 14, 2017

I read of multiple folks quoting the use of a second account to port their characters around the world. Have you seriously never learned how to do that with a mage on the same account?! Heck, I figured that one out in vanilla. Just get a couple friends into a group with you, make your port, swap toons, get your group invite, and hop through the portal to your destination!

Ofc, I haven't bothered with that since that time as I just don't see the dire need for it. Assuming everything still works the same (portals persisting for the full duration whether logged in or not, etc) ought to be working just fine. And nothing saying your mage alt can't hand off the food/water to a friend and back to you when you relog your main (if you're too cheap to buy some from a innkeeper or fellow vending machine).

TheShortestPath_old · July 15, 2017

23 hours ago, Alba said:

If people didn't try to cheat the system, then the admins wouldn't need to police things and innocent people wouldn't get caught up in the problem.

You see this everywhere in life - people and companies cheat so rules have to be made to stop them and innocent people and companies can get caught up in it.

The people to blame are the cheats since they cause the problem.

Other people breaking the rules is not justification for banning someone who has not broken them, though, and there seems to be no way to distinguish the two in this particular case.

afsf11_old · July 17, 2017

How is this even enforceable?

Should remove limit on accounts and just have multibox = perma ban.

People will still have multiple accounts and not get caught and reap the rewards, not to mention this isn't prominently displayed when creating an account and as two accounts is pretty standard practice for most players...

1818lfr_old · July 21, 2017

i think what GM want to mention is "it is not allow multiple opening game client in this server", this info is enough to tell server rule, ofc, most player got dual account or even more, as long as it is not report by other player, i think it is fine.

Stiven_old · July 21, 2017

Bwah that is dumb, but whatever.

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